Curse

Abedeus · Feb 23, 2008, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by Reflect

:S stop crying OMFG!
GW HAS NEEVVAH BEEN SKILLS>TIME FROM MORE THAN A YEAR!
Rank req. PUG are TIME>SKILL! i know many r8+ NOOBS and many R3-- GOOD GAMERS, and still they can not get higher rank just beacuse no one wants ppl with no or low rank, so yeah that makes it TIME>skill --> ppl that were there when game came out could easily find a pug as noone would want rank requirement, just coz ppl still don`t have them, SO URSAN IS NOT WHAT MADE THE GAME TIME>SKILL!

Uhm. You are special, you know? I think you were talking about PvP, where rank =/= skill. In PvE, there was no such thing as rank discrimination till the day they introduced Hard Mode. If you had r3-r4 lightbringer, you could easily get into a pug. And that rank was required only in DoA.

And in Proph/Factions there were no pve-only titles, no?

And what if not ursan made the game (WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PVE, NOT PVP) time > skill? What do the developers think about the fact that their game became more skill-less than any other game out there?

Splitisoda · Feb 23, 2008, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Um, No thx.
I'm not sure if you know this, but there ARE some proffesions that lack the skills to farm. Paragon for instance. If a person finds a farm thats FAST and ACTUALLY works, then give it to me. I haven't seen one paragon farming build that works.

Lots of classes need Ursan, if they dont have any special farming build, then Ursan is the way to go. If your not letting all classes have freedom of farming, then well, you might as well remove every class that has a working farming build. Which is like every class except for paragon o.O

Tyla · Feb 23, 2008, 05:23 PM // 17:23

They don't 'need' Ursan, and you're thinking of solo farming.
A team farming build, however...well, any team in PvE at all with a Paragon should have them running TNTF/SY if you're going to use Ursan so much.

TNTF/SY > PvE.

[DE] · Feb 23, 2008, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

They don't 'need' Ursan, and you're thinking of solo farming.
A team farming build, however...well, any team in PvE at all with a Paragon should have them running TNTF/SY if you're going to use Ursan so much.

TNTF/SY > PvE.

Even though TNTF/SY is also ridiculously overpowered you're actually forced to still take 7 competent skill bars along with the TNTF/SY bitchbar. Unlike ursan where not even the monks need that great of bars.

Tyla · Feb 23, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

Even though TNTF/SY is also ridiculously overpowered you're actually forced to still take 7 competent skill bars along with the TNTF/SY bitchbar. Unlike ursan where not even the monks need that great of bars.

Ursan is godmode power.
TNTF/SY is godmode defense.

With TNTF/SY you've still got skillslots to use for decent offense aswell.
And with Ursan you don't need a competent skill bar as it's a skill bar in 1 skill.

Plus you've got 66% physical damage reduction through weakness on an Ursan.

PvE skills was another way of saying "screw that" to PvE balancing. True they made minor changes, but they have given up 100% now.

Much like Consumables.

[DE] · Feb 23, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

Yeah, I'd love for Anet to remove pve only skills + consumables. Than PvE might actually take... *gasp* skill!

DarklingKiller · Feb 23, 2008, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by zway

anyone that wants ursan nerfed is prob a duper!

why? becuase the only thing ursan is killing is AMBRACES!

most high end traders won't be affected becuase 2000e is how much an average high end trader will have. If you have more than 100ambraces then 99% ur braces belong to a duper.

USE UR HEADS PEOPLE

URSAN WAS INTROED TO KILL DUPED AMBRACES if ambraces r worth nuthin, then duped braces worth nuthing. SIMPLE!

What are you on crack? If you travel to the high end section, you will a lot of people with way more than 100 armbraces. Your post is saying, if you are richer than me, I think you're a duper. The people with more than 100 armbraces are just better traders than you are. Also, Ursan Blessing was introduced as a way for people with no skills to easily do Hard Mode.

gone · Feb 23, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

if DoA wasn't such a retarded area to begin with, it wouldn't need/bow down to such a retarded 'skill'.

there is no reason to nerf UB. well, greed isn't really a reason. LoL.

Tyla · Feb 23, 2008, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

Yeah, I'd love for Anet to remove pve only skills + consumables. Than PvE might actually take... *gasp* skill!

Unfortunately that won't happen.

driz · Feb 23, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Normally i wouldn't post on something like this but i have found it quite interesting. I take neither side i will agree UB is way overpowered which means you could basically run it in your sleep >.> but it does give the chance for some people to be able to play in certian areas such as DoA where they wouldnt have been able to before. All in all i dont believe a total nerf is in store but maby some minor tweaks to it because i will admit nomatter where you go you see a bunch of UB teams and for the few of us that still want to play with an actual skill bar and have some kind of challenge its hard to make a team. Basically UB you either run an ursan or some kind of monk which takes the fun out of alot it would be more reasonable if they made it so you could only have maby 2 people with the same blessing in the same party because then it would atleast add some kind of change to the teams and allow other people who dont really care for UB to still play it.

Eldin · Feb 23, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

/signed

NERF IT!

ANet has always followed the skill > time played philosophy, but this is an exception. Mindless grinding > skill? No!

It is dumbing down the playerbase, people now becoming mindless Ursan RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs instead of exercising their brain and making builds and changing them to affect their environment as ANet intended.

Not only that, but it is killing the economy and farming potential.

Know how hard it is to get into a non-Ursan group for Slavers' Exile, FoW/UW, and Glint's Challenge? HARD!

I have nothing against PvE skills per se, some are fairly well balanced. But Ursan is the equivalent of IWAY back when it was winning us the favor all the time. But Ursan doesn't win us ANYTHING but a big fat slap in the face from ignorance.

Splitisoda · Feb 23, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by The Phantom

Yeah, I'd love for Anet to remove pve only skills + consumables. Than PvE might actually take... *gasp* skill!

Your Wrong.
It would be called PvP on steroids.

Tyla · Feb 23, 2008, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Splitisoda

Your Wrong.
It would be called PvP on steroids.

Explain, how?
People have done it before without PvE only stuff, and with H/H on most places of PvE.
Yes, without Sabway. (Insane Energy Management, Minions go boom 100 damage even armour-ignoring, 66% damage reduction from weakness...but mostly the Soul Reaping primary)

JeniM · Feb 23, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Eldin

I have nothing against PvE skills per se, some are fairly well balanced. But Ursan is the equivalent of IWAY back when it was winning us the favor all the time. But Ursan doesn't win us ANYTHING but a big fat slap in the face from ignorance.

Actually Ursan is the reason we have favor now, easier titles = more favor minutes

Ursans already been nerfed is that not enough? Imagine the QQ threads if it was nerfed, but o wait you guys wouldn't care because it isn't your view

Oh and to the people that say Ursan stopped people making their own builds --> PvXWiki

Tyla · Feb 23, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by JeniM

Actually Ursan is the reason we have favor now, easier titles = more favor minutes

Oh yeah, after SS/LB weekend we need MORE minutes?

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Ursans already been nerfed is that not enough? Imagine the QQ threads if it was nerfed, but o wait you guys wouldn't care because it isn't your view

No, it wasn't a nerf.
It made it easier to use, Ursan Rage can be followed up without any positioning changes.

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Oh and to the people that say Ursan stopped people making their own builds --> PvXWiki

Some of those people didn't use PvX.

JeniM · Feb 23, 2008, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Why do you care so much that the harder areas and rewards are availiable to less hardcore players anyway?

Chik N Nuggets · Feb 23, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

buff ursan IMO.. make it so that its only -1 energy degen and +5 life regen... then it will be o-k

but its not powerful enough yet

Tyla · Feb 23, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by JeniM

Why do you care so much that the harder areas and rewards are availiable to less hardcore players anyway?

Who said they weren't available to less 'hardcore' players?
I've found a Vanquish usually lasts 1-2 hours to complete.

I haven't completed DoA on any of my characters.
I haven't completed The Deep on my Ranger (which is my most played character next to my Mesmer.)

@Chick N Nuggets: I hope that was sarcasm.

Lishy · Feb 23, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Ursan needs a nerf?
NERF GODMODE PARAGONS AND SABSWAY!

Know what Anet should nerf?Anet should NERF THE MONK!
Why?Every group needs one!!Its soooo overused and overpowered that everyone wants one in their group.

/sarcasm.

_June · Feb 23, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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Originally Posted by Mordiego

I doubt someone can say something against the oppinion that Ursan Blessing is ruining the game economy. Since it was introduced we can observe gigantic depreciation of value on many of the prestigous game items...

In addition it enabled countless hordes of noobs to enter (and thus spoil) some of the elite in-game areas. I am not even visiting DoA any more because of that fact.

In my oppinion it should be either removed or seriously nerfed.
What do you guys think?

PS. I do have the skill and my Norn is at R10 (for those with the intention of flaming)

it's already done it's job on the economy

no need to remove or nerf it

I also have a hunch that everyone that makes ursan removal boards avidly uses the skill themselves :P